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> Because if the necessary and sufficient conditions were present from eternity,





What eternity? What sufficient conditions? One could have argued like that in Newton's times, when physicists believed in a clockwork Universe. Imagine that you are watching an individual atom of uranium-238. There are no *sufficient conditions* for its decay, no physical interactions responsible for it; there's only a probability distribution. The decay may happen next Tuesday, or in three hundred an twenty-seven million years, or in ten billion years and a day; there's no way to predict the moment of decay even roughly. Even worse, if you wait a billion years and nothing happens, the atom doesn't get less stable and the expected half-life doesn't get shorter. Does it make the atom a personal agent exercising its free will? A philosopher might perhaps wonder why it doesn't decay at once just to have it over, but there are *far* more things out there than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Especially if it's the poor man's philosophy.





> the effect would also be present


> from eternity. It's impossible to explain how the sufficient conditions could


> exist timelessly or eternally and not also have the effect equally co–pre


> sent. The only way that a temporal effect could arise from an eternal cause is


> if the cause is a free, personal agent who is able to freely create the univers


> e without antecedent determining conditions.





It is quite impossible to explain how a free *personal agent* capable of pulling a whole friggin' universe out of his sleeve could exist at all, let alone timelessly or eternally. At any rate, it is not something that you can postulate just like that. If you conclude that it's "the only way", you must have made the wrong assumption somewhere, so go back to square one and think again.





> And therefore it follows: (4. 13)


> The universe was brought into being by a personal, free agent." [/I]





Obviously! how else? We saw it coming from the start.





Przepraszam za angielski, ale zostałem sprowokowany obszernym cytatem. To jednorazowy wybryk.





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